đ¨EXCLUSIVE: Trump hits back at Tucker, Megyn Kelly in phone interview with "The Inner Circle"
The pushback comes as the WH is moving quickly to tamp down dissent in its own coalition.

NO APOLOGIES â President DONALD TRUMP hit back at MAGA World critics of his Iran gambit in a phone call with âThe Inner Circleâ Monday night, arguing that MEGYN KELLY and TUCKER CARLSON arenât âMAGA.â That he is.
While writing about the crescendo of prominent MAGA voices expressing skepticism on the merits, I picked up the phone to ask the president whether he believed the criticism constituted a sizable portion of his base. Trump initially said, âI donât know.â
âI have to do whatâs right, number one â and you canât have Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Thatâs predominant to me,â he said.
But then Trump went on to express confidence that MAGA is with him. He pointed out that Kelly had been critical of him before, but had come around to supporting him. Then he argued that her skepticism doesnât matter. (âIt's all right. I don't mind. She was critical of me for years and I didn't lose. I won all three times by a lot.â)
âI think that MAGA is Trump â MAGAâs not the other two,â Trump said, referring to Kelly and Carlson. âMAGA wants to see our country thrive and be safe. And MAGA loves what Iâm doing â every aspect of it⌠This is a detour that we have to take in order to keep our country safe and keep other countries safe, frankly.â
TRUMPâS COMMENT COME AS the White House is flooding the zone to defend its attack on Iran, an offensive that peaks as early public polling suggests Americans disapprove of the campaign.
On Monday night, Vice President JD VANCE â the administrationâs senior-most anti-interventionist, who cut his teeth in politics by blasting the war in Iraq â took to Fox News with a clear message: This is NOT Iraq or Afghanistan 2.0 The situation in Iran, he argued, is âso differentâ from wars of the past because âthe president has clearly defined what he wants to accomplish⌠Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon and has to commit long-term to never trying to rebuild the nuclear capability.â
âThereâs just no way that Donald Trump is going to allow this country to get into a multi-year conflict with no clear end in sight and no clear objective,â Vance said. âAnd I think that means that weâre not going to get into the problems that weâve had with Iraq and Afghanistan.â
Iâm told by the White House that the P.R. push will pull in other high-profile administration officials, too, including STEVE WITKOFF and MICHAEL WALTZ. And we should expect frequent, if not daily, briefings by the Pentagon.
THE DAMAGE-CONTROL EFFORT follows some Trump World allies questioning the need for the operation at all. On Monday, Kelly became the latest to assail the administration for fighting a war that she argued is not âAmerica Firstâ priorities.
âWhy are we doing this now? What was the catalyst?â Kelly asked her millions of followers, adding that âI donât think those four service members died for the United States. I think they died for Iran or for Israel.â âI have serious doubts about what weâre doing. I support the president⌠I campaigned for the president⌠But that doesnât mean⌠you have to accept another Middle East war without question â and anybody who tells you that can suck it.â
(Service member deaths have now reached six.)
Read some of Kellyâs comments, Trump in our phone call said the podcast host âoutta study her history book a little bit.â
âMegan was opposed to me for years when I ran the first time and nothing stopped me,â Trump said. âAnd so, you know, some people are against â and they always come back. She came all the way back. But now I guess she maybe doesnât like the idea of this war, but I do because I have to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranians.â
Kelly isnât alone. TUCKER CARLSON sent a warning sign to the White House over the weekend, arguing that the campaign was âevil,â in a call with ABC News. (Trump told me that Carlson âcan say whatever he wants; it has no impact on me.â) STEVE BANNON has, meanwhile, been stoking the fire as well, hosting guests on his famous âWar Roomâ podcast, questioning what the administration is doing.
âLook, Steve, Iâm not happy about the whole thing. I donât think this was in Americaâs interests,â ERIK PRINCE said on the show yesterday. âItâs going to uncork a significant can of worms and chaos and destruction in Iran now.â
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THROUGH IT ALL, the White House has sought to calm the waters. Thereâs a belief among some insiders that Republicans will give the president the benefit of the doubt and eventually come around. A senior White House official told me this afternoon that âwe are in the first inning of a nine-inning game.â
âThe panicans need to relax,â this person said, referring to Trumpâs nickname for worrywart Republicans. âThe President and Cabinet will continue to make the case about why this was necessary.â
Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary KAROLINE LEAVITT has used her X account throughout the day to respond to criticism on the right. One of those was this post by conservative podcast host MATT WALSH, of the Daily Wire:
âSo far weâve heard that although we killed the whole Iranian regime, this was not a regime change war. And although we obliterated their nuclear program, we had to do this because of their nuclear program. And although Iran was not planning any attacks on the US, they also might have been, depending on who you ask. And although we are not fighting this war to free the Iranian people, they are now free, or might be, depending on who seizes power, and we have no idea who that will be. The messaging on this thing is, to put it mildly, confused.
Leavitt responded by citing Iranâs terror over the past nearly 50 years.
âPrior American leaders were too weak and cowardly to do anything about it,â she wrote, listing a number of objectives for the mission. âNow, President Donald J. Trump is correcting decades of cowardice and holding those responsible for the deaths of Americans accountable.
Secretary of State MARCO RUBIO didnât exactly assuage MAGA skepticsâ concerns today when he suggested that the U.S. entered the fray because of Israel. Rubio implied that the Jewish nation was going to strike with or without Americaâs help, and he said the administration determined U.S. assets and service members would be caught in the crossfire of a retaliatory strike, thus had to act.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN TRUMP WORLD about how deep the MAGA fracture actually runs. Some argue that while these voices of dissent may be loud, with large followings, they donât constitute a majority of Republicans.
âExpect to see lots of âMAGA fractures over Iran strikeâ headlines in coming daysâespecially in the anti-Trump, pro-Ayatollah leftist media,â NewsNation host BATYA UNGAR-SARGON tweeted, giving voice to the arguments Iâve also heard privately. âThe evidence will be 4 podcasters on one side vs. 93% of Trumpâs base on the other. Donât believe the wish-casting. Believe your own eyes.â
But other Republicans argue that logic merely papers over GOP fractures that now need to be repaired ahead of the midterms.
âEven if, say, 30 percent of Republicans are on the other side of this issue from the [White House], that could cause major problems for the electoral coalition,â one Republican operative involved in multiple statewide races across the country told me. âThat doesnât even get into voters who feel queasy about the bombing, but still tell pollsters they support Trump on it for now.â
This person argued that âitâs hard to see how the politics play out favorablyâ â and the real question is how fast the admin can wrap up the job and pivot.
âThe nature of these things is the longer they go on, the more unpopular they get. The real question is whether this is simply a short-term liability or a long-term one, and that is largely dependent on how long it lasts. If itâs all over in a month or so, it will likely only cause short-term damage, but if it is still going on three months from now, all bets are off.â
Meanwhile, longtime Trump pollster JIM McLAUGHLIN told me this afternoon that none of this means anything to the president.
âHe really doesnât care about the polls,â McLaughlin told me. âI think heâs trying to fix things. He was left with a lot of problems, and I think â whether itâs this, whether itâs Gaza, whether itâs the work-in-progress that is Russia and Ukraine â heâs not doing it because of the polls. Heâs doing it because itâs the best thing not just for the country, but for the world.â






The question you have to ask... the honest question, not the Tucker question, not the Megyn question, the real question... is this... Could Donald Trump have achieved a permanent, lasting America First posture... the real doctrine, the thing we all voted for... without first clearing the board of the existential threats that previous administrations allowed to metastasize for decades?
The answer is no. And everybody who is being honest with themselves knows itâs no.
What Trump has done in sixty days... Maduro captured, Khamenei killed, Cuba strangled into negotiation... is not a betrayal of the America First doctrine. It is the precondition for the doctrine. Itâs the thing that has to happen once so that it never has to happen again.
Think of it this way. If you inherit a house with a flooded basement, a collapsing roof, and a gas leak, you donât get to say âIâm a low-maintenance homeownerâ and sit on the porch. You have to fix the emergencies first. Rip out the pipes. Replace the roof. Seal the gas line. Itâs expensive. Itâs messy. People are going to say âI thought you said this would be a quiet house.â And you say... âIt will be. After I fix the things that are about to kill us.â
Thatâs what the second term has been. Emergency triage on a world that was handed to this President in a state of active decay. Not by accident, not by fate, but by the deliberate incompetence of everyone who came before.
But the house will be clean. And then we maintain it. And then... finally, for the first time in a generation... we stop sending our kids to die in countries that hate us.
Thatâs the Trump Doctrine. The America First Doctrine. Not the opening act. The final destination. And weâre almost there.
Fantastic reporting, Rachael; thanks for all your efforts